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I was gifted a 82 GD300 LWB, but the owner that gave it to me said its veen standing at the mechanic for over 15 years. I contacted the mechanic and he said he pushed the car out of his shop about 6 or 8 years ago and has no idea where the car is now. I have the original Natis documents. Any suggestions?
 

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That car has probably been stripped for parts long ago. Sorry but you've been gifted papers.
It's worth a shot to give Trevor a shout, maybe he ended up with the chassis.
Or scour facebook marketplace for gelandewagens without papers.
Good luck with your search.
 

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That car has probably been stripped for parts long ago. Sorry but you've been gifted papers.
It's worth a shot to give Trevor a shout, maybe he ended up with the chassis.
Or scour facebook marketplace for gelandewagens without papers.
Good luck with your search.
Yeah I am not very optimistic about finding the car.
 

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It will be a nightmare getting it back on the system then. On the other hand, if he does, it might turn up somewhere if the police impounded it.
It has a registration certificate , so it is already and will still be on the system , biggest headache will be coughing up with the licence arrears
 

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After enough years it is removed from eNatis.
The red papers are also a problem and you would need the original owner to request a duplicate which would be the new papers if it's still on eNatis.
 

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Do what do you all think? Should I register as stolen?
If the registered owner didnt sell it or give the shop permission to, I'd say yes. Unless it falls in that dodgy timeframe that mechanics used to claim ownership of a vehicle "for unpaid storage fees" or similar, they claimed to be entitled to take the vehicle and do as they please. Sell or break for parts etc. Not sure if that was always done through proper channels but then there would have to be a paper trail.
 

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Do what do you all think? Should I register as stolen?

Why? I'm not sure you even know that the car was stolen. Just because someone gave you papers for a car doesn't make you the owner. From the facts you describe, it appears that the owner had, in fact, abandoned the vehicle.

In our Roman Dutch common law, an abandoned thing may be claimed by whomever wants it.
 

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I think when the owner gives me the papers and say that it is now my car then it is in fact my car. Sounds like you might have an unclaimed car on your lot
 

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If you say so. Then don't let me stop you reporting it stolen. In my view you still don't know whether is was actually stolen, only that it is no longer where the donor left it. It's also unclear whether the car still exists. If it didn't exist when the owner gave you the (invalid) registration document, then it never became yours.
 

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If you say so. Then don't let me stop you reporting it stolen. In my view you still don't know whether is was actually stolen, only that it is no longer where the donor left it. It's also unclear whether the car still exists. If it didn't exist when the owner gave you the (invalid) registration document, then it never became yours.
You are not stopping me of doing anything. How you figure the papers is invalid is a bit of a mystery. If the vehicle is out there and I report it stolen then maybe it would get picked up by the police. If I just let it go someone might be driving around in a car that is now legally mine.
 
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The pink registration documents are no longer valid. To validate them, the current registered owner must request an updated RC1. You cannot use a pink registration document to transfer registered ownership.

I have not intention of arguing with you about this, but maybe you should consult a legal expert regarding the requirements for ownership to pass from one person to another, and also how theft is legally defined. In my own view it is debatable whether you own the vehicle (if it exists), and you are assuming it was stolen when nobody knows what actually happened to it.
 

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The pink registration documents are no longer valid. To validate them, the current registered owner must request an updated RC1. You cannot use a pink registration document to transfer registered ownership.

I have not intention of arguing with you about this, but maybe you should consult a legal expert regarding the requirements for ownership to pass from one person to another, and also how theft is legally defined. In my own view it is debatable whether you own the vehicle (if it exists), and you are assuming it was stolen when nobody knows what actually happened to it.
My lawyer is actually on in. We are in process of transferring to my name, if we dont find it we will register as stolen.
 

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I bought a one owner bike with the pink reg cert a year or so back. Had no problem to register but I did get the actual bike with a receipt.
 

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I bought a one owner bike with the pink reg cert a year or so back. Had no problem to register but I did get the actual bike with a receipt.
It looks like Cape Town is more practical and customer friendly in their interpretation of the rules. I sold a 1963 Beetle 2 years ago (which I had owned since the 1990s) and the new owner wasn't allowed to register it using the pink doc. I had to personally attend the licensing department and apply for a replacement RC1. This is no longer a process you can do while you wait, as the application is sent to Pretoria for processing and it takes about 2 weeks before you return to pick up the new RC1. Only the registered owner can apply for a duplicate RC1.
YMMV
 

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Maybe some rule did change in the last year, couldn't say. Sometimes one branch or municipality wont help and the one next to them will... Regions more so. I suspect that the registered owner can appoint the buyer or anybody to apply for a duplicate reg doc on their behalf.
 
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